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The Gay Question:

Time for Modern Orthodoxy to Take Off the Blindfold

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Published: Sunday, November 1, 2009

Updated: Sunday, November 8, 2009

            The scientific mentality and socially liberal outlook of our times has tried the viability of many ancient religious doctrines.  In our Modern Orthodox community, we proudly (and hopefully modestly) maintain that our religious beliefs don't run counter to our rational tendencies.  Science enriches and adorns our religious lives.  Our halachic worldview is imbued with true morality.  Discrepancies between modern moral standards and the Torah's edicts are explainable, and don't truly oppose the moral backbone of contemporary society.  However, one pressing issue facing the modern world, one which has applied uncomfortable pressure to the Orthodox world, has been shamefully swept under the rug.  The moral and religious dilemma that this issue poses has not yet been dealt with in an adequate fashion.  That issue is homosexuality.

            The number of openly gay individuals in the secular community overwhelmingly outweighs the number of openly gay individuals in our Orthodox community.  If we assume that sexuality is not a matter of choice (the most accepted approach today) then we are confronted with an unsettling question: Is it really possible that the Orthodox world breeds fewer people wrought with the inner conflict of sexual identity?  Probably not.  It seems, rather, that Orthodox individuals grappling to balance their sexual desires, religious values, and social pressures are either forced into hidden lives of suffering or are driven from the derech of Orthodox life altogether in search of happiness elsewhere.  Of those who stay in the Orthodox fold, many fall into marriages racked with complications, while others remain single, living bitter lives of quiet desperation.  Of those who fall away from Orthodoxy, many are estranged from their families and friends, harboring a deep resentment for the Orthodox community's failure to help them and their loved ones with a painful issue.  Allowing such heartache to continue in our midst without open and honest discussion of this issue amongst rabbinical leaders and laymen is a failure to engage in the obligation of tikkun olam and a callous neglect of individual suffering.

            I have firsthand experience with the tribulation and confusion that mark the life of an Orthodox, gay individual.  I am a member of the Mazer Yeshiva Program in my first year in YU, and I am gay.  At age eleven I knew I was gay; it was a realization marked by the same innocence of a fifth grader who has a crush on a pretty girl in class. Since the age of fourteen, I have known that I would eventually have to face unpleasant truths in dealing with my supposedly divergent identities.  I am comfortable with myself, but uncertain of the best way to tackle the next few years of my life.  I have no long-term plan.

            It is a constant struggle to determine what the Creator wants from me.  Do I remain in the closet and single for the rest of my life?  That doesn't sit well with me.  Should I come out and remain single? Should I look for a relationship with a guy with whom I will have no physical contact?  Is that possible?  Will I someday unceremoniously collapse from the pressure and end up not frum but in a fulfilling relationship?  These questions race through my mind in a perpetual cycle every day of my life.  The thought of telling my family that I am gay – and probably incapable of getting married and having children – is one that douses me with waves of paralyzing fear.  How does anyone bring heartbreak to unsuspecting loved ones ill-equipped to cope with the issue at hand?  How does a family cope with the homosexuality of a loved one in a community where the issue is stigmatized and worthy only of hushed, whispered discussions?  My situation is not unique.  The questions I confront and the distress my family would face if I let them in on my secret are only the beginning of the struggle for all Orthodox, gay individuals.

            Ultimately, I am not just writing to raise awareness and lambaste our collective treatment of the issue.  I am writing with a rough proposal.  Last year, a heart-wrenching testimony was published anonymously in Kol Hamevaser (II:4) by another gay Yeshiva University student.  The author highlighted both the existence of gays in the Orthodox world, and the inconspicuous nature of their presence amongst the most frum crowds.  He thought that marriage was the most preferable, though seemingly evasive, solution to his problem.  Although I salute his strength and conviction, and firmly align myself with his call to awaken others to our existence, I disagree with several facets of his approach.  First, the option of marriage for a gay individual is one which demands wary and cautious endorsement.  I am cynical about the possibility for success in a heterosexual marriage tainted by homosexual tendencies.  The fact that the Orthodox community has historically adopted this approach is problematic.  Do we really want to encourage people to enter sexually dysfunctional marriages? Second, I think that the author failed to pressure the Orthodox community to take concrete action in addressing the needs of all individuals faced with the challenge of being gay.

             I want to suggest a few baby steps we can take towards helping people like me.  The first step we must take towards helping gay men and women in our communities is waking up our leaders.  The time has come for our rabbinic leadership to realize that gays are as common in the Jewish community as they are in the secular community.  If the rabbinic leadership shuts their eyes and ears, they will not make gays disappear.  They will not make me disappear.  It is an immature and destructive way to deal with a real problem.  I urge the rebbeim of Yeshiva University and other rabbinic leaders to recognize our existence, and to take a proactive role in organizing open discussion of the issue of homosexuality.  The attitude of cavalier indifference must come to an end in our community.

This will pave the way for the second, and most important, step I am proposing.  We need to eliminate the stigma.  In the secular world, interacting with gays and discussing gay issues has become mainstream.  I think we need to follow that example.  That is not to suggest that we need to accept or embrace homosexual behavior.  But we need to cultivate an atmosphere of acceptance and open discussion.  If we sincerely work towards this objective, we will create an environment where those confronted with this issue will feel comfortable expressing themselves.  Then, we can weave support networks focused on finding comfortable solutions for affected individuals and families.  This would be following the model that we embrace for all other communal problems.

            The last suggestion I want to make is the creation of a Gay-Straight Alliance (GSA) on campus.  I am, admittedly, a bit skeptical about this last suggestion, but I am curious of the results.  GSAs are prevalent on campuses across the country.  They are not only found on college campuses, but in high schools and middle schools as well.  They promote the comfort of gay members of the school and nurture a sensitive, accepting environment.  GSAs also create a forum for discussion of gay issues and concerns.  The beauty of a GSA is that it can be started by a straight activist.  In fact, all the members can be straight.  On our campus, in particular, if someone had the guts to start one, and many people joined it, gays would feel comfortable joining under the veil of being straight.  A GSA could become the mainspring in provoking progress on our treatment of homosexuality.

            Hopefully, I have drawn some ears and prodded some hearts in Yeshiva University and the Modern Orthodox community at large.  Properly dealing with homosexuality in our community will accomplish more than meets the eye.  We would be performing a tremendous act of chessed for countless suffering individuals, both in the present and in the future.  We would decrease the number of gay individuals that fall away from Orthodox life because they don't see futures for themselves in our communities.  We will alleviate the pain of families who have nowhere to turn in dealing with homosexuality.  And, finally, we would be true to our own Modern Orthodox values.  By honestly approaching the realities we are confronted with and finding ways for our divinely dictated halachic system to solve the issues at hand, we defend the integrity of our religious beliefs.  Through an honest and intensive search for the best solution to the gay question we can end a dishonorable period of apathy, and infuse Torah life with fresh credibility and esteem.

 

            The anonymous author of this article can be reached with questions, comments, or concerns at: yuopinionarticle@gmail.com.

 

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howard stevens
Mon Dec 28 2009 13:55
I'm not quite sure what bringing this topic to the forefront accomplishes. Do you want a Rabbi(s) to sign off on homosexuality? Do you want acceptance from the heterosexual community?

I come from the "don't bother me/ I don't bother you" school of living.

To me this topic is possibly the biggest stalemate topic out there. Good luck with whatever you're trying to accomplish.

jay fein
Sun Dec 27 2009 17:21
This article is either purposely misleading or naively obtuse. The Torah passes a moral judgement on homosexuality. Clearly and undebatably. It is disgusting. Period. Even if you believe someone may be born with homosexual tendencies there is still no case for "acceptance" or "tolerance". Rather, unfortunately this theoretical person has a huge nisayon that must be dealt with. Similarly if someone is born with the strong desire to kill or steal, our attitude is naturally one of empathy- but zero tolerance or acceptance. Those who advocate otherwise are craftily questioning the truth of the Torah.
D A
Thu Dec 24 2009 02:45
MARRY ME! I AM OK WITH A SEXUALLY DYSFUNCTIONAL MARRAIGE.
Mordechai Levovitz
Mon Dec 7 2009 00:42
These are grave issurim. Even though they may be in the category of Chok, which means we do not know why the hallacha exists, pesukim can not simply be thrown out because we want a "heter" so much. This approach is the hallmark of Orthodox Judaism.
Mordechai Levovitz
Sun Dec 6 2009 20:22
These are grave issurim. Even though they may be in the category of Chok, which means we do not know why the hallacha exists, pesukim can not simply be thrown out because we want a "heter" so much. This approach is the hallmark of Orthodox Judaism.
Mordechai Levovitz
Sun Dec 6 2009 20:15
1. To answer your question directly, just like the great rabbis wish they could find a hallachic heter for stuck agunot to re-marry, of course I wish they could find one for homosexuals. Why wouldn't anybody wish there could be a leniency that would allow people to live their lives with less suffering. But just because we wish for one, does not mean that one actually exists.
Mordechai Levovitz
Sun Dec 6 2009 19:43
With respect to the question of "heter", this issue philosophically is no different from any other proscribed enjoyment. We do not say, that we do not eat pig, because we don't 'want to eat pig', on the contrary, we all wish that we could find a heter to eat bacon or cheese burgers. If someone finds a truly hallachically kosher pig, (that would also satisfy the issur of "maras eyin") we would all be encouraged to enjoy pork chops. The point is, that it is our Hashkafah, to want a 'heter' for any and all proscriptions of enjoyment. The want for this heter, is as natural and beautiful as the want for a new husband to sleep with his bride when she is a NIDAH. He certainly will look for a heter, if one exists. However he is bound by a dedication to Hallacha that requires a commitment to our laws and traditions, even when he doesnt completely understand the whys and reasons behind the prohibitions. He must be intellectually honest to their interpretation and application. If Rabbi's do find a heter, he is able to enjoy it to the fullest degree.
Mordechai Levovitz
Sun Dec 6 2009 19:00
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Mordechai Levovitz
Sun Dec 6 2009 18:34
2. I never formulated that a man's orientation exempts him from the negative commandment of Mishkav Zachar. This is an interesting argument for the Rabbi's to decide. I am no Posek, only a Talmudic student. I have read great Orthodox rabbis use formulations like 'Ones' or 'Tinok She-nishba', but I tend to think it's a bit more complicated than that. Many Frum gay men, lead completely 'out' lives with other men, and simply refrain from doing 1 specific sex act. Regardless, my point was: just because there is a negative or positive commandment in the Torah about an issue, does not mean that every person must have the mental or physical capability of following the mitzvah. There are many people who because of physical or mental problems simply can non not obide by certain proscriptions. My brother is autistic, and my parent's asked many poskim about his responsibility towards kashruth and shabbos when in secular therapeutic settings. All of them with out exception, have told my parents that for someone like my brother, he was not born with the mental capability of abiding these proscriptions. On this point, if you read each of my postings, I have been consistent and clear. You can not surmise, simply from a prohibition, that everybody has the psychological capability of adherence.
Mordechai Levovitz
Sun Dec 6 2009 18:13
3. Finally, I value this dialogue. It means everything to finally be able to have these conversations publicly in this forum. It is my pleasure to respond to you point by point with clarity, respect and honesty, but I ask you and others to please refrain from using personal attacks. Calling me a 'demagogue' or my responses "weaseley deceptions" do not serve to help your points, and unfortunately brings down the whole level of this conversation. Although I understand how this discussion may be very personal for you, it is our responsibility to raise his conversation above sensationalism and name-calling. While I believe that readers will find my arguments more compelling, I respect your points and value your opinion. I ask the same of you, as we continue forth.
A H
Sun Dec 6 2009 02:44
Your point (2) is completely wrong. There is a major asymmetry between positive and negative mitzot. Positive mitzvot are regularly waived if it is physically impossible to perform them (e.g., you can't make kiddush on shabbat without wine, or make hamotzi without bread). Negative mitzvot are only waived for pikuach nefesh. Your attempt to blur this distinction is disingenuous. A man who has no attraction to women and cannot function as a heterosexual is most likely exempt from the positive mitzva of pru u-rvu. But in no way does his condition give him a permit to violate the negative mitzva of mishkav zachar (from the Torah) or of any kind of sexual intimacy with other men (mi-derabanan).

On the whole, your response is precisely the sort of weasely deception that I cautioned against. Bland platitudes about shame and hatred but a complete and total evasion of my basic, straightforward question. So again, for those following:

I am asking you Mr. Levovitz a very simple question: Is it your wish to obtain a halachic heter to engage in sexual acts with other men?

Something tells me we'll be seeing more of the "hatred and prejudice" fog in his replies, but will never get a clear-cut yes/no answer out of him. There's nothing a demagogue fears more than clarity and honesty.
Mordechai Levovitz
Thu Dec 3 2009 17:57
1. there are many agunahs who are still hallachically stuck. We do not have a central bes din, and many mend simply do not listen to the rabbis, and then their wives are can not be sexual or marry anyone else. This combined with the mentally ill husbands and the missing husbands add up to create quite a big issue facing orthodox Judaism. However in this case, Orthodoxy has responded heroically, with support groups, conferences, many new hallachic rulings, and awareness.

2. The point about Deaf and disabled people was only to reiterate the point that just because there is a positive or negative commandment in the torah, does not mean that every person has a biological or psychological capability of fulfilling the mitzvah. This argument is faulty, and should not be used to prove that gay people must be capable of overcoming their gayness. The Torah does not tell us either way, if such reparative therapies work. This is a question to the experts, and the APA is clear on the subject.

3. There is much Rabbinic Thinking and writing that needs to be done and discussed on this issue. Already, Rabbi Lamm and Rabbi Rappaport have respectively adapted such hallachic constructs as "ones' and Tinuk shenishba" in tackling the hallachot of homosexuality. Rabbi Blumenthal establishes the usage of condums as "motzie zerah" and not "biah", this is just the tip of the iceberg. The goal, much like the goal of Agunah, is to minimize suffering, while staying intellectually honest to the veracity of the biblical prohibition.

4. much more work needs to be done by the rabbis and the kehilla, in terms of the "bein adam lechaveyro" aspect of this hallacha. there is too much shame, too much prejudice, too much silencing, and too much hatred. Support groups like JQYouth and GLYDSA help, but like Agunah, much more could be done in this area.

5. we must make sure that prospective husbands tell their fiance's about their sexuality, sexual history, and/or struggle in reparative therapy BEFORE they get married. We must protect our sisters and daughters from entering into a marriage with out this essential information.

A H
Thu Dec 3 2009 08:32
Mr Levovitz erroneously conflates the Aguna issue with homosexuality. The former has a fairly straightforward halachic resolution: Beit ha-Din can apply enormous pressure on husbands to grant a get [since how many husbands, realistically, go missing-not-to-be-found?]. His example of deaf Jews is also completely beside the point: it's one thing to be physically unable to fulfill a positive mitzva, and quite another to desire to violate a negative one.

Now that we are on the subject of halacha, let me put the question in stark terms for Mr. Levovitz: what do you want from the orthodox community? No weasly, ill-defined notions like "tolerance," "compassion" and "understanding" -- the vast majority of Rabbeim and Yidden will gladly grant you all that. In fact, I thank you and the author of the piece for starting this important discussion and raising awareness of this important issue. I am sure that even the Jews who tend to lapse into disparaging comments about SSA men will change their ways once they grasp the full gravity of our situation.

And now it's your turn to answer. What do you want exactly, as far as halacha? Is your ultimate goal to obtain a heter to engage in sexual activity with men -- yes or no?

An honest discussion on this issue cannot continue until Mr. Levovitz and other "frum gays" give a clear "yes" or "no" answer to my last question.

The_Commentator,Zac.levovitz@gmail.com
Thu Dec 3 2009 03:40
Amazing article, a big Yasher Koach on this Kiddush hashem! Coming from a fellow recent YC MYP student who is also gay, I can tell you that you are not alone. There are even gays now at YU undergrad who are 'out of the closet'. Speaking up for yourself is the first step in creating understanding and awareness on campus. You have many allies, straight and gay in both the student body, the administration, the rabbinate, and the greater orthodox community.

As a whole, we need to start openly and intelligently dealing with this issue. What happened to "bein adam Lechaveyro"?... there are obviously too many of us still isolated, frustrated, and suffering. Gay orthodox Jews aren't asking for a 'heter', they are asking that their existence be dealt with in a mature, moral, and rigorous fashion; no more psuedo-science, false hopes, silencing, or miracle cures. And please stop trying to get us to married to unsuspecting women! Would you want that for your sister or daughter? Where is our sense of decency and ethics?

The previous  comment written by A H, uses the notion that "An observant Jew believes that G-d does not give us trials we cannot overcome", to surmise that orthodox Jews should believe that homosexuality can be overcome. This is both a logical and a hallachic mistake. Just because Hashem asks generally for man do something in the torah, doesn't mean that we are able to do it. A deaf person will never be able to hear the shofar, an infertile person will never be able to peru-urevu, and some aguna's are in fact stuck. Acknowledging this is just the maturity of dealing with reality.  Any parent of a disabled person knows there are some things that their children will never be able to do. Science and reality do not change because of a mitzva in the Torah, no matter how essential a mitzva.

This is just a sad fact of life. In school I remember my friend was deaf, and one shabbos, i went to the Rav of my shul (Rabbi JB Soleveitchic zl"), and asked him how he can relate to hearing the shofar blowing. He told me that his Nisayon is not to hear the shofar blow, that is just up to his doctors and medicine. His nisayon is instead how to be the best person that he could be. His challenge was to accept his reality, and be creative in developing a personal and unique relationship with the shofar, that does not involve hearing.  I followed up with asking if he hallachically was required to try every experimental surgury, to try to regain enough hearing to hear the shofar?...and he told me that, with regards to medical questions, the experts are not rabbis, but doctors. A doctor should decide if a procedure could be helpful or hurtful, the individual's responsibility is to accept his reality and be the best person that he can be.

This gave me all the answers I could ever ask for. This was again corroborated a year later When my cousin was diagnosed with learning disabilities, and the Rav was asked if it was ok to send her to a gentile school that would serve non kosher food. The Rav replied that if this was the best school for her, the family is required to send he to this school.

Regarding changing a homosexual to heterosexuality, the APA is clear and has found "that overwhelming  research shows that no solid evidence exists that such change is likely, and that research suggests that efforts to produce change could be harmful" -APA 2009. These are the scientists and experts. They have no religious agenda, and do not gain either way from any outcome. While the cause of homosexuality is debated, the medical community does not believe that people choose to be gay. Environmental factors like whom hormones or early age development are no more or less changeable than genetic or biological factors.

While it may be possible that a minority of exceptions are able to change, it is scientifically accepted that most gay men can not change. I am one of that majority. And this is what the article is about. How do we deal with this majority of gay frum men?

The answer will have to follow the compassion, open mindedness, and intellectual honesty of the orthodox community and leadership. We have been heroic in our response to the Agunah issue. This is another example of a person who through no fault of her own, can no longer be sexual, or married. In recent years the Orthodox community has been pro-active in discussing, dealing with and providing resources for agunot. There is an agunah section in the Jewish Press, and even an OU sponsored Agunah day. It is this strength and tenacity of Torah Judaism that will guide us on this equally troubling and frustrating issue.
continued in next comment...

The_Commentator,Zac.levovitz@gmail.com
Thu Dec 3 2009 03:38
...continued from above

Right now, we must follow our own Hippocratic oaths, and "FIRST, DO NO HARM". Guide yourself with "veahavta le reach komocha", do not judge the gay person, for you do not know what its like. If you must, put him in the category of someone who is the exception to a hallachic category, like the disabled, different, or handicapped. Try to offer your friendship and support. Bring up the topic in discussion. Give him the chance to talk about what its like, so we all can learn. And comfort him, by telling him that he is not alone.

There is a thriving Frum Gay Community in NYC. There is even a GLBT Kosher Chanukah party on Dec 16 at the GLBT community center (last year Neshoma Carlebach performed!). There is progress even at YU. There is the Tolerance Club at YU, and JQYouth.org (a community for Orthodox gay youth 17-30). Rabbi Rappaport has written an amazing book on Orthodox Hallacha and Homosexuality. We have come a long way, but there is a longer way to go. Even now, the YU administration is working with students in creating an event on campus addressing this issue, with respect, sensitivity, intellectual honesty, and hallachic mindedness.

Thank you for taking the dialogue to the next level, and thank you to the Commentator for printing such an insightful article.

-Mordechai Levovitz (Culture Editor of The Commentator 1998-1999')
-Mordechai Levovitz

The_Commentator,Zac.levovitz@gmail.com
Thu Dec 3 2009 02:46
Amazing article, a big Yasher Koach on this Kiddush hashem! Coming from a fellow recent YC MYP student who is also gay, I can tell you that you are not alone. There are even gays now at YU undergrad who are 'out of the closet'. Speaking up for yourself is the first step in creating understanding and awareness on campus. You have many allies, straight and gay in both the student body, the administration, the rabbinate, and the greater orthodox community.As a whole, we need to start openly and intelligently dealing with this issue. What happened to "bein adam Lechaveyro"?... there are obviously too many of us still isolated, frustrated, and suffering. Gay orthodox Jews aren't asking for a 'heter', they are asking that their existence be dealt with in a mature, moral, and rigorous fashion; no more psuedo-science, false hopes, silencing, or miracle cures. And please stop trying to get us to married to unsuspecting women! Would you want that for your sister or daughter? Where is our sense of decency and ethics?The previous  comment written by A H, uses the notion that "An observant Jew believes that G-d does not give us trials we cannot overcome", to surmise that orthodox Jews should believe that homosexuality can be overcome. This is both a logical and a hallachic mistake. Just because Hashem asks generally for man do something in the torah, doesn't mean that we are able to do it. A deaf person will never be able to hear the shofar, an infertile person will never be able to peru-urevu, and some aguna's are in fact stuck. Acknowledging this is just the maturity of dealing with reality.  Any parent of a disabled person knows there are some things that their children will never be able to do. Science and reality do not change because of a mitzva in the Torah, no matter how essential a mitzva.This is just a sad fact of life. In school I remember my friend was deaf, and one shabbos, i went to the Rav of my shul (Rabbi JB Soleveitchic zl"), and asked him how he can relate to hearing the shofar blowing. He told me that his Nisayon is not to hear the shofar blow, that is just up to his doctors and medicine. His nisayon is instead how to be the best person that he could be. His challenge was to accept his reality, and be creative in developing a personal and unique relationship with the shofar, that does not involve hearing.  I followed up with asking if he hallachically was required to try every experimental surgury, to try to regain enough hearing to hear the shofar?...and he told me that, with regards to medical questions, the experts are not rabbis, but doctors. A doctor should decide if a procedure could be helpful or hurtful, the individual's responsibility is to accept his reality and be the best person that he can be.This gave me all the answers I could ever ask for. This was again corroborated a year later When my cousin was diagnosed with learning disabilities, and the Rav was asked if it was ok to send her to a gentile school that would serve non kosher food. The Rav replied that if this was the best school for her, the family is required to send he to this school. Regarding changing a homosexual to heterosexuality, the APA is clear and has found "that overwhelming  research shows that no solid evidence exists that such change is likely, and that research suggests that efforts to produce change could be harmful" -APA 2009. These are the scientists and experts. They have no religious agenda, and do not gain either way from any outcome. While the cause of homosexuality is debated, the medical community does not believe that people choose to be gay. Environmental factors like whom hormones or early age development are no more or less changeable than genetic or biological factors.While it may be possible that a minority of exceptions are able to change, it is scientifically accepted that most gay men can not change. I am one of that majority. And this is what the article is about. How do we deal with this majority of gay frum men?The answer will have to follow the compassion, open mindedness, and intellectual honesty of the orthodox community and leadership. We have been heroic in our response to the Agunah issue. This is another example of a person who through no fault of her own, can no longer be sexual, or married. In recent years the Orthodox community has been pro-active in discussing, dealing with and providing resources for agunot. There is an agunah section in the Jewish Press, and even an OU sponsored Agunah day. It is this strength and tenacity of Torah Judaism that will guide us on this equally troubling and frustrating issue. Right now, we must follow our own Hippocratic oaths, and "FIRST, DO NO HARM". Guide yourself with "veahavta le reach komocha", do not judge the gay person, for you do not know what its like. If you must, put him in the category of someone who is the exception to a hallachic category, like the disabled, different, or handicapped. Try to offer your friendship and support. Bring up...
The_Commentator,Zac.levovitz@gmail.com
Thu Dec 3 2009 02:41
And comfort him, by telling him that he is not alone.

There is a thriving Frum Gay Community in NYC. There is even a GLBT Kosher Chanukah party on Dec 16 at the GLBT community center (last year Neshoma Carlebach performed!). There is progress even at YU. There is the Tolerance Club at YU, and JQYouth.org (a community for Orthodox gay youth 17-30). Rabbi Rappaport has written an amazing book on Orthodox Hallacha and Homosexuality. We have come a long way, but there is a longer way to go. Even now, the YU administration is working with students in creating an event on campus addressing this issue, with respect, sensitivity, intellectual honesty, and hallachic mindedness.

Thank you for taking the dialogue to the next level, and thank you to the Commentator for printing such an insightful article.

-Mordechai Levovitz (Culture Editor of The Commentator 1998-1999')
-Mordechai Levovitz

The_Commentator,Zac.levovitz@gmail.com
Thu Dec 3 2009 02:35
Amazing article, a big Yasher Koach on this Kiddush hashem! Coming from a fellow recent YC MYP student who is also gay, I can tell you that you are not alone. There are even gays now at YU undergrad who are 'out of the closet'. Speaking up for yourself is the first step in creating understanding and awareness on campus. You have many allies, straight and gay in both the student body, the administration, the rabbinate, and the greater orthodox community.As a whole, we need to start openly and intelligently dealing with this issue. What happened to "bein adam Lechaveyro"?... there are obviously too many of us still isolated, frustrated, and suffering. Gay orthodox Jews aren't asking for a 'heter', they are asking that their existence be dealt with in a mature, moral, and rigorous fashion; no more psuedo-science, false hopes, silencing, or miracle cures. And please stop trying to get us to married to unsuspecting women! Would you want that for your sister or daughter? Where is our sense of decency and ethics?The previous comment written by A H, uses the notion that "An observant Jew believes that G-d does not give us trials we cannot overcome", to surmise that orthodox Jews should believe that homosexuality can be overcome. This is both a logical and a hallachic mistake. Just because Hashem asks generally for man do something in the torah, doesn't mean that we are able to do it. A deaf person will never be able to hear the shofar, an infertile person will never be able to peru-urevu, and some aguna's are in fact stuck. Acknowledging this is just the maturity of dealing with reality. Any parent of a disabled person knows there are some things that their children will never be able to do. Science and reality do not change because of a mitzva in the Torah, no matter how essential a mitzva.This is just a sad fact of life. In school I remember my friend was deaf, and one shabbos, i went to the Rav of my shul (Rabbi JB Soleveitchic zl"), and asked him how he can relate to hearing the shofar blowing. He told me that his Nisayon is not to hear the shofar blow, that is just up to his doctors and medicine. His nisayon is instead how to be the best person that he could be. His challenge was to accept his reality, and be creative in developing a personal and unique relationship with the shofar, that does not involve hearing. I followed up with asking if he hallachically was required to try every experimental surgury, to try to regain enough hearing to hear the shofar?...and he told me that, with regards to medical questions, the experts are not rabbis, but doctors. A doctor should decide if a procedure could be helpful or hurtful, the individual's responsibility is to accept his reality and be the best person that he can be.This gave me all the answers I could ever ask for. This was again corroborated a year later When my cousin was diagnosed with learning disabilities, and the Rav was asked if it was ok to send her to a gentile school that would serve non kosher food. The Rav replied that if this was the best school for her, the family is required to send he to this school. Regarding changing a homosexual to heterosexuality, the APA is clear and has found "that overwhelming research shows that no solid evidence exists that such change is likely, and that research suggests that efforts to produce change could be harmful" -APA 2009. These are the scientists and experts. They have no religious agenda, and do not gain either way from any outcome. While the cause of homosexuality is debated, the medical community does not believe that people choose to be gay. Environmental factors like whom hormones or early age development are no more or less changeable than genetic or biological factors.While it may be possible that a minority of exceptions are able to change, it is scientifically accepted that most gay men can not change. I am one of that majority. And this is what the article is about. How do we deal with this majority of gay frum men?The answer will have to follow the compassion, open mindedness, and intellectual honesty of the orthodox community and leadership. We have been heroic in our response to the Agunah issue. This is another example of a person who through no fault of her own, can no longer be sexual, or married. In recent years the Orthodox community has been pro-active in discussing, dealing with and providing resources for agunot. There is an agunah section in the Jewish Press, and even an OU sponsored Agunah day. It is this strength and tenacity of Torah Judaism that will guide us on this equally troubling and frustrating issue. Right now, we must follow our own Hippocratic oaths, and "FIRST, DO NO HARM". Guide yourself with "veahavta le reach komocha", do not judge the gay person, for you do not know what its like. If you must, put him in the category of someone who is the exception to a hallachic category, like the disabled, different, or handicapped. Try to offer your friendship and support. Bring up...
A H
Wed Dec 2 2009 14:27
Clarification: SSA = Same sex attraction; OSA = Opposite sex attraction.
A H
Wed Dec 2 2009 10:29
As Orthodox Jews, we should be able to agree that an ideal situation is for a Jew to get married and raise children. (If we cannot even agree on this, then we ought to re-examine the basic tenets of Orthodox Judaism, and in particular how it differs from the Reform and Conservative movements, if at all.) Now any number of obstacles might stand in a Jew's path towards this ideal: disability, infertility, drug/alcohol addictions, and SSA. An observant Jew believes that G-d does not give us trials we cannot overcome and strives to negotiate such obstacles to the best of his ability.

I hear the anguished cry of men who say, "I have no attraction to women, only to men. What does G-d want me to do? Enter a loveless marriage? Remain celibate? All solutions offered by Halacha seem to lead to misery and pain." The question is legitimate and must indeed be addressed by the Orthodox community.

But before we can address the plight of the Halachic man who experiences same-sex attractions, let's make one thing clear. The frum same-sex attracted man's dilemma is based on the fallacy that same-sex attractions are inborn and immutable, and that "this is one who is". The heredity and malleability of SSA are highly controversial and politicized topics in psychology; it is not for Halacha to resolve scientific matters. What we do know for a fact is that men who experienced significant SSA (and in some cases, no OSA) have gone on to live happy, fulfilled lives as husbands and fathers. Their numbers range in the hundreds (thousands?), and their existence is a plain and simple fact. The only groups denying their existence are those with a vested interest in perpetuating the inborn and immutable SSA myth. Even the APA concedes that SSA, like most complex psycho-emotional conditions, results from a mixture of biology, psychology and social factors.

The anguished cry to G-d "What do you want from me? You made me this way!" applies to any number of predicaments, not just same-sex attraction. Imagine if drug addicts or anorexics were told to embrace their G-d given identity and given a heter to engage in destructive behaviors instead of seeking help.

Thus a frum man who experiences same-sex attractions owes it to himself to give change a bona fide attempt before resorting to despair. All too often, a "gay Orthodox" Jew will petulantly demand concessions from the community, without giving change a serious try, and sometimes while dismissing the strugglers' efforts as futile and their successes as fictional. Such people are only interested in bending Halacha to their urges; offering them a place at the discussion table is a grave mistake.

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